In Conversation with Khawaja Iqbal Hassan

“You can’t accomplish everything by force … you’ve got to cajole people into action and motivate people, you can’t beat them into action,” says Khawaja Iqbal Hassan talking about how an over-reliance on law enforcement can be detrimental to national growth.

The senior corporate leader started his career with Citibank, moved back to Pakistan in 1994 to set up a stockbroking and investment banking company, Global Securities Limited, and later went on to establish NIB Bank in 2003 – which in a short span of four years rose to become Pakistan’s 10th largest bank in terms of asset size through acquisitions.

Currently, he sits on the board of corporate giants such as Engro and ICI Pakistan Limited, as well as the Karachi Grammar School, LRBT, and The Cardiovascular Foundation, and has previously served on the board of the State Bank of Pakistan. The senior leader has been awarded the Sitara-i-Imtiaz by the Government of Pakistan for his meritorious contribution and dedication to national interests.

In his conversation with VCast Online, Khawaja Iqbal Hassan talks about the early days of his career, founding an investment bank in Pakistan, setting parameters for public-private enterprise, and what he considers his greatest satisfaction.

Khawaja Iqbal Hassan is a firm believer that in Pakistan, the law enforcement is largely ineffective, but at times when it is put into action, it is immensely strict. He is of the opinion that it’s because of the fear that it instills that those in positions of power, be it in the government, the business community, or the civil service, hesitate with their decision making.

“We have developed a mantra that everyone is a thief. But everyone is not a thief. Everyone in any part of the world will cut corners if you let them. That’s human nature.” He believes that the only way to move forward is to remove this ‘fear factor’ from the country’s managerial proceedings, and to allow people the liberty to make decisions, while working within the country’s legal framework, for the industries to thrive and the country to flourish.

Talking about the state of public-private partnerships in Pakistan, he highlights how the function of ministries has evolved globally, whereby the policy framework development is under their control alongside the regulators, but the sector is open for private sector companies to invest. This is not how the role of the government and ministries is perceived in Pakistan, where we take them to be the owners and managers of these assets. He is of the opinion that for more public-private partnerships to be established, the ministries in Pakistan have to follow the global model, to encourage private sector companies to come and invest in the country by making conditions favourable for them.

When asked what he would like to see more of in Pakistan, he expressed his desire for more collaboration amongst the youth. “I would like to see the younger generation be more accommodative of each other, be more respectful towards each other and work together as much as they can”. The current generation is growing up in a more connected world, a world where there’s more active communication around human rights and respect for life and nature – and he is hopeful that such conversations will soon start taking up shape in Pakistan. 

“I think Pakistanis in general are not laid back, lazy people, they are ambitious people. They can get over ambitious at times in terms of cutting corners, which has become somewhat of a DNA fault now, but overall people want to do well, and they want to progress.” As a firm believer in honest and consistent hard work as a key principle for success, he is hopeful that if we continue to work together with passion to build things on the right foundations then we’ll be able to bring about the change we wish to see for a prosperous, positive Pakistan.

Watch the full conversation with Khawaja Iqbal to hear his views on the future of banking in the country, the need for public-private partnerships, and what he would like to see more of in Pakistan.

At the cutting edge of Blockchain in Pakistan

“Our curiosity fades away through our school, college, and university systems. This is not just an issue in Pakistan, it is a global problem”, says Abdul Sami Khawaja, the co-founder of Xord.

Xord is a trailblazing startup that is introducing blockchain technology to Pakistan by developing  products and applications for decentralising conventional systems in the world. Abdul Sami Khawaja and Shakeib Shaida started Xord to build a culture of trust and transparency, both of which are values that are imperative to the Blockchain technology they employ.

Xord’s co-founders, alums of Karachi University UBIT, Abdul Sami Khawaja, Salman Khan and Shakeib Shaida, are young tech entrepreneurs who are rethinking conventional systems in place in Pakistan to redefine businesses and industry processes. And one way they are challenging the traditional systems, is by promoting a culture of supporting transparency across their organizational structure.

“We’ve made our revenues public – anyone in our organization can ask us, if the company’s revenue is increasing, why are we not paying them more?” says Abdul Sami Khawaja as he highlights the organizational structure they’ve built at Xord, that supports trust and openness within not just the core team, but everybody who’s part of the organization – something he feels is, for the most part, lacking in the industry.

Since its inception, Xord has grown into an enterprise of over 150 young individuals where no team member is over the age of 26, and in a short span of two years, it has generated a revenue of over $30 million through its products and services under Blockchain for clients all over the world.

While blockchain technology is most commonly known for being the backbone of  Bitcoin and other cryptocurrency systems through its network that builds a secure and decentralized database without having the need for a trusted 3rd party for maintenance of records, the team at Xord realized that there is potential in the technology to be used for a lot more operations. Personal data stored on traditional centralized systems is very easily-corrupted and presents challenges for verification, and Xord aims to make all such systems in finance, asset management, and digital identity not only secure but also efficient and easier to use. They are committed to creating decentralized systems with blockchain technology to improve and simplify every-day processes across industries. 

The use of blockchain technology is new to Pakistan, and so is the way Xord hopes to continue expanding and growing in this field, both of which being unconventional require a creative mindset that supports curiosity and an out-of-the-box thinking for critical thinking and problem solving in the future to bring about meaningful change.

“We’re working on something so new … that if we start hiring very experienced people, they won’t be the right fit for our company.”

The team at Xord believes that anyone has the capacity to learn new skills, and therefore their primary focus during their recruitment processes, is to look for individuals who exhibit inherent curiosity and willingness to learn and adapt. They firmly believe that one has to look outside of the current system to understand the system and challenge it, and at Xord, they train people with the skills to do so. The leadership at Xord does not believe in maintaining the traditional employee-employer relationship; instead, they cultivate a relationship based on trust, openness and honest communication. 

Watch our full conversation with the founders of Xord as they talk about their journey of starting up, the promise of blockchain technology, the importance of curiosity, and their vision of building an honest world.